Debug spam

OldNecro · Post by **OldNecro** » Sun May 02, 2004 1:39 pm

What's with the "RTFM JESUS CHIRST MONKEY FUCKER" garbage coming up with debug messages now? When I go to convert old macros to MQ2Data I have to scroll and scroll and scroll to find out what the problems are and what the parser doesn't like so that I can fix it, and every message is surrounded with "$#@%$#TWEGFASGWERYVQEAG
", thus being more cryptic now than ever before...

I know it's frustrating when people ask stupid questions on here, but come on folks... You're punishing those of us who know what we're doing...

-OldNecro

MacroFiend · Post by **MacroFiend** » Sun May 02, 2004 1:42 pm

If you knew what you were doing, you would have read the CHANGES.TXT file or the release notes under the announcements. The answer you seek is found within.

OldNecro · Post by **OldNecro** » Sun May 02, 2004 3:33 pm

Do you read changes.txt twice a week (sometimes more) as new builds are posted? Regardless of your response, I know the answer is "no" so no response is needed.

I never dreamed I would have to disable a "feature" of MQ to get it to operate (or at least show debug messages) normally (well, I do have to disable MQ2fps every build, but that's beside the point), so it never even dawned on me to look there.

Regardless, you did point me in the right direction and for that I am greatful. Now, if someone could just show me how to disable the new "features" of EQ...

-OldNecro

Lax · Post by **Lax** » Sun May 02, 2004 3:56 pm

I pity you for having to take the 15 minutes to figure out how to turn it off. Sadly you didnt read the post which is currently 4 posts down explaining why the previous sentence is not true at all. I dont pity you at all. In fact, I pity myself for taking the time to improve MQ2 and keep it in working condition, only to receive this kind of commentary from some of the users. Putting in the feature requested by users that some see as an annoyance is a real eye opener. It shows me which people are so fucking useless that I should just ban their IP from the message boards, because they have the gall to come in and say shit like this. As it says in the other thread about a slightly different issue (having to update macros), cry me a fucking river. I spend too much time working on MQ2 to listen to people whining about how they have to take 15 minutes out of one day of their life to learn how to disable a feature, after myself and others spent the better part of a day just getting it to work for you after a patch in the first place. I can say with absolute confidence that you're not on my priority list. If this was Weakest Link, and I was the badass lady in black, I would be saying goodbye to you.

I'm not banning you, but I would ask for a little fucking respect. Too bad you had to spend oh so much time to turn off a feature that doesn't hurt the debug output at all, it just says something before the real debug output. Whatever.

Mimatas · Post by **Mimatas** » Sun May 02, 2004 4:03 pm

I think this should be added to TFM:

MQ2 is free. If you don't like it.. don't use it.

It kinda bugs me that people are bitching like that about a product that 1. they don't need to use (although EQ sucks without it), and 2. they're not paying for. If we payed money, we might have some right to complain... (If it were a monthly fee and the software sucked *cough*SoE*cough*, we'd have even more right) but as things are now... if you don't like it, learn how to change it. If it needs to be changed, put in a REQUEST (not demand) and hope someone finds time. Otherwise, STFU.

That is all.

Please don't remove the 'verbose' sebug messages :)

LordGiddion · Post by **LordGiddion** » Sun May 02, 2004 5:33 pm

OldNecro: As a developer of one of the more popular macro's here I do read each and every Changes.txt and anouncement that Lax puts' out there. If I didn't I wouldn't be able to maintain a macro that so many other people fnd useful.

MacroFiend · Post by **MacroFiend** » Sun May 02, 2004 6:08 pm

Every time there is a new .zip, I merge it (using WinMerge) with my existing source so I can maintain my additions/changes ... and guess what ... changes.txt is one of those files! OMFG! So in answer to your rude and incorrect assumption, yes I read the (usually no more than 2 dozen) lines of changes in a particular release.

ml2517 · Post by **ml2517** » Sun May 02, 2004 7:18 pm

I can't believe that you assume people don't read the changes.txt after every update. I guess if you do nothing but take and don't give, you'd never have to read it. With that in mind, good luck getting help here.

CrankyBaby · Post by **CrankyBaby** » Sun May 02, 2004 7:24 pm

OldNecro wrote:Do you read changes.txt twice a week (sometimes more) as new builds are posted? Regardless of your response, I know the answer is "no" so no response is needed.

-OldNecro

OldNecro: obviously, you seem to be a poor, trusting soul, that has innocently, and unsuspectedly been taken aback, who feels betrayed by a situation, which you thought you knew, but has now been thrown into chaos.

Pity.

Let me explain something to you, which might help you out. Macroquest is a Sourceforge-listed project. In case you never took the time to casually look at the main SourceForge site, and see what it's all about (or, in other words, if you're a lazy stealing piggish B@$+@RD that offends most of everyone that faithfully uses this site, with your mere presence), you are in the Heartland of Hacker Culture. Hacker Culture is a social environment, where people earn (and I do mean EARN) respect by their shown ability to understand problems and solve them, especialy problems in computer code. To be respected in "Hacker Culture," takes an attitude that you could describe as "The world is full of interesting problems to solve." This implies things like 1) You like that there are things in the world that don't work perfectly, if only because that means there's an opportunity to fix it, somehow; 2)If I see someone having trouble understanding how to solve a problem, I want to help, because if they understand it, they'll get pleasure out of just knowing how to do something; 3) If I run into someone that doesn't want help to solve a problem, but just wants the answers given to them, I must use all of my powers to make this person GO AWAY - these people are wastes of time, and to a degree, wastes of skin. They are Takers, (note the capital "T") who will never want to do anything, but will spend all of their time and talent trying to force other people to do things for them.

This is why people who ask stupid questions get "flamed" - if you're more interessted in the problem than in your ego, you'll take the flames and say "Damn! I feel like a dumbass for wasting everyone's time with that 'problem' that I could have easily solved/answered/discovered with less time than it took for all these folks to come up with all of those red-hot remarks. Sorry! I honestly thought my problem was tougher than it was, and I'll work and think harder next time."

If you're a Taker-type, more interested in form than function, in style than substance, if you think the World Owes you for being in it, you're the type who will answer obliviously, "Hey, it was just a Simple Question," and not understand that asking "Simple Questions" is considered a Problem, best solved by active discouragement. Because "Simple Questions" are Simple, because they have been "Asked and Answered," as they say in court - the answer is not only "out there," but it's prominently posted somewhere for easy reference - like the thread where Lax got ASKED to place "Error messages with Flavor" into the program, and the Changes.Txt excerpt telling people about them and how to turn them off. Not to mention the many responses to "easily offended" people who had to be told to look carefully at the documented change notice, because it tells how easily to change the new behavior back to "normal" in ten minutes or less. The many, MANY responses...

Anyway, if you'd like to know more about Hacker Culture, I heartily recommend Eric S. Raymond's The Cathedral and the Bazaar, an excellent analysis of the types of people that made "Open Source" into a catchphrase - literally, and deliberately. Don't read it to impress me or anyone else here, read it because you're curious about what type of people would tolerate being so harshly rude to such obvious newcomers.

If you don't want to know about the culture, or the thinking behind the awesome program, and its features, found here, than do us a favor, and LEAVE.

BTW - EVERY time there's a patch, I look at the "MQ2 Latest Release" thread. EVERY time I load EQ & MQ2, and I get a popup box that says "Incorrect client version," I LOOK AT THE "MQ2 Latest Release" THREAD! EVERY time I come home from spending over an hour in SD traffic to go five miles,... well, Guess what I do instead of sitting in front of a TV for an hour?

OldNecro wrote:I know the answer is "no" so no response is needed.

CrankyBaby wrote:I think the question here, is "Does OldNecro have a working Brain?!?", what do you think?

Please put words in my mouth again, @$$-Hole.

EDIT: One of the links above had my board ID in it, so I took it out. I also cleaned up a typo I didn't see on my first proof-read. Also, Idiots that want to do my thinking for me Annoy me a lot. Oh well, so many people, so little money for AR-15 ammo...

(J/K)

ap50 · Post by **ap50** » Sun May 02, 2004 7:36 pm

I figure just typing "add LaxColor=0 to the [Macroquest] field in Macroquest.ini" is much quicker to type, and less stressful.

OldNecro · Post by **OldNecro** » Sun May 02, 2004 7:41 pm

Well, I didn't bother reading any of the above posts, as I'm sure they're about as helpful as changes.txt... As soon as I saw they were more than 3 sentences long I immediately lost interest considering they have nothing to do with the task at hand... You can't believe I didn't read changes.txt? I can't believe some of you lead such pointless and empty lives that you would write over 200 words in regard to my deciding not to read a document which MUCH more tha usually contains nothing that will help me write my 5000-line macros, which I was thinking about posting, considering I've been a member here for so much longer than most, but I have definitely reconsidered that gesture of kindness...

Congratulations all you 200+ word posters... you've completely wasted your time... Didn't read a word of it...

ml2517 · Post by **ml2517** » Sun May 02, 2004 7:48 pm

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OldNecro · Post by **OldNecro** » Sun May 02, 2004 8:00 pm

hahaha word to to the wise all newcomers... GOD FUCKING FORBID you EVER overlook something or ignore ANY piece of information you are given. Read EVERY FUCKING LAST LETTER of every document you are EVER given PERIOD on here. In fact, do everything you can to make the learning experience as inconvenient as possible before coming here. These people have *ZERO* interest in helping anyone with a simple question. They can't answer a single question without adding "...moron" to the end of their answer JUST because they knew the answer and you didn't.

I'd love you know how old you kids are... I bet I would be apalled...

What an incredible collection of assholes hahaha

ml2517 · Post by **ml2517** » Sun May 02, 2004 8:06 pm

Wow, for someone who "has a life" you sure do watch the boards closely. Perhaps if you put some of that effort into reading the appropriate threads you'd never have had to post this ignorant message in the first place.

I'd also like to comment on your dumb fucking comment about the people here having no life, when you yourself are playing EQ.

Now go horde your plat in EQ with your sooper uber 5000 line macros, idiot.

MacroFiend · Post by **MacroFiend** » Sun May 02, 2004 8:12 pm

I'm glad you feel that the date in which you joined has some relation to your worth on the site. Last time I checked, most people around here relate worth to participation and knowledge. I can't really vouch for either of those things in your case but since I have been reading all of these forums for far longer than I have been a member, your name hasn't been involved in many positive posts. Nearly all posts are complaints about perceived bugs or macro errors.

With this new information, I guess it shouldn't surprise me that you posted about the new flavor messages.