MacroQuest64

please take time to fill this out .. started it based on the one in general discussion

Obviously your not stating too fine of a point. In that question your just asking is this class better than that one.

That's all opinion really. Do you mean DoTs, nukes, what?

There's different forms of DPS.

Personally I think it depends who you compare, and if they're acctually equal in AA's for example.

In a short period of time wizard tends to put out more DSP, over a long period of time Necro. It's situational.

wizzy's in the end. if you're talking about on a raid type encounter, those crits for 6k make a mockery of everyone.... and when a wizzy has time gear and a 6-7k mana pool, the necro's better off just feeding mana$$

personally i find wizards boring as ass and would play anecro, but the thing they DO is damage, thats it. Necros while doing mad dmg with dot crits do well but from the DPS charts from raid encounters i've seen, the first one is always a wizard, if not the first 3 or 4, sometimes a mage, rogue up there and maybe a necro, but the types of nukes wizards gets go against any kind of boss mob depending on resists. if necros are limited to 1 or 2 dots, then that significanty reduces they're output over all

those crits for 6k

7k, commonly, with a bard =)

I would have to agree that this is a very stupid question. I am 100% certain that you can find a necro who will have more dps than a wizard. I am also certain that you will find a wizard who will have more dps than a necro. If both classes have max focus and max aa and max level max gear etc...the wizard will win hands down in DPS, this does not mean he will do more overall dmg than a necro though.

NAMED:
The necro can start dotting fairly quickly and FD at any sign of trouble so he begins to rack up his dmg from the very beginning on a named fight. At most a necro is going to pump out about 1.5k per tick in dots which is only 250 DPS which most monks / rogues can do easily (good gear of course). Once the necro throws this many dots on he will most likely not be able to stand up for some time to start nuking due to aggro. The wizard on the other hand has to wait or he will get summoned and owned. If the wizard starts slow nuking at 70 and then burning mana at 40 he missed 30% of the fight all together and another 30% of the fight he was only doing half the damage he could have. Since the wizard and necro are both max gear they are not going to run oom in one fight which means the wizard could have done a heck of a lot more damage if he had better aggro mitigation.

The flip side is the necro did his damage from the very beginning of the fight until the very end so he has many more seconds to divide into his damage when calculating DPS. However the wizard starts 1/3 of the way through...and will still do close to the damage a necro can do (assuming the necro is not busy mana pumping someone), and therefore have a higher DPS

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No contest...wizards will nuke, steal aggro, tank, and outdps a necro without any questions.

This is really not the place to start the old "which class is better" argument, but whoever said necros are better off feeding mana, well I just want you to look into this subject more. I constantly do 400 and above DPS on raids on bossmobs, trash plows I just nuke once or twice, so is a wizard, but their nukes are bigger, thus they do more dmg. Ideal mobs exists for both classes, I haven't done Time in like months, but not many resists there and both classes do pretty good damage at those fights. In GoD resists are all over the place, some mobs are totally resistant to fire so neither classes are doing so well. Others are resistant to magic or poison, but not to fire or ice, mages/wizards do much better on those fights. So it is very situational.

Once the necro throws this many dots on he will most likely not be able to stand up for some time to start nuking due to aggro.

This is incorrect. It depends on who is tanking, there are warriors in my guild where in a 10 minute fight with 6 dots on and nuking in between I only FD once or twice. The rest of the fight is spent by constantly refreshing the dots, so all 6 is on at all times doing pretty decent damage. Anyway, when the worst warrior is tanking I still only have to FD after a Horror+BoT combo, and it's more for safety, because they do a good enough job to not let me get aggro and die. I do get summoned at 5-20% sometimes, but that's because the longer the fight is, the less FDing I do. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Also consider that necros didn't get any other spells but damage in the last 3 big expansion, Lucling, PoP, GoD, we are nothing like we were in Velious. While I personally don't want to do more damage than a wizard, cause we get much greater utility and pets, so comparing classes by numbers is kinda silly to me.

er, as a ubar wizard, (8k+ manapool, crits for 8k...), Who Cares? :-)

And for the record, if the tanks don't suck, I can start dealing out those 8K crits when a raid mob has hit 98pct health and keep clicking them out until I'm out of mana or the mob is dead.

It's all TANK dependant.

Wizards are BURST damage.

Necro's are OVER TIME damage.

Wizard will out-perform the necro in DAMAGE until the Wizard is out of manage at which point the Necro will happily rack up what the wizard has dealt out and more while the wizard meds back to full.

... but reality here..

who cares as long as you have fun? :-)

-e