MQ2HUD and MQ2FPS

Sparr · Post by **Sparr** » Sat Jul 17, 2004 9:48 pm

and, unless im mistaken, plazmic took some of his structs from SEQ, which was itself GPL, and the copyright to its code owned by its author(s). the only way to un-GPL macroquest would be to completely re-implement it from scratch. however, there IS a possibility that lax has done this. you could check the MQ2 CVS revision history to see just what has changed in each file. if plazmic wrote ABCD then Lax changed it to ABCE then to AFCE then to GFHE then i think he would have copyright over it.

hendrix04 · Post by **hendrix04** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 9:52 am

my FPS reading under the connection status bar still works

JimJohnson · Post by **JimJohnson** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 10:22 am

I kinda find it funny all these people saying donate to lax... go read his other board. Your shit out of luck if you donated to MQ2 project even if it was to him but thru MQ2. So stop fucking preaching to donate.

Amadeus · Post by **Amadeus** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 12:46 pm

The GPL was created so that people could not release executables without the source that was used to create them (for obvious reasons). Our zip files do not contain executables (with the exception of the injector, which is a special case), therefore it can include as few or as many source files as we wish to put in it. It's a curtesy..nothing more. As long as you have the last complete copy of MQ that was released with dlls, then we're in compliance with the GPL.

So, if we assume for a minute that MQ2fps is under the GPL as a plugin to MQ2 ..then, as long as the zip file does not contain mq2fps.dll , then there is no requirement to include the plugin's source.

Everything that the devs do to the code is our private modifications, and since we do not release executables, we are never truly releasing it. We are only providing updates to individual files. However, as a curtesy we include all the files in the zips that include the updated files ...however, that is not required.

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That being said, can we all stop being whiny bitches and be thankful for what we're given? It'd be different if multiple people had worked on or contributed to mq2fps ....Lax did it, he created it, he maintained it...and even if MQ hadn't been around in the first place, he could have created it from scratch. So, honestly, if he wants it removed from the public zip file....who the hell cares. You have a copy of it as it was last released and you can update it every patch yourself. Nothing illegal is being done here...and the GPL is still in place.

Lax · Post by **Lax** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 1:25 pm

JimJohnson wrote:I kinda find it funny all these people saying donate to lax... go read his other board. Your shit out of luck if you donated to MQ2 project even if it was to him but thru MQ2. So stop fucking preaching to donate.

You're "shit out of luck" if you donated to MQ2 because that's not a "fucking donation" toward the projects that are for-pay there. You donate to MQ2, you already get VIP access. What am I supposed to give you every other product I create for free for the rest of my life? Sorry, but that's not how it works. I apply donors to the EQIMGuru projects because they got literally nothing other than a "thank you" and since they donated toward the actual projects that are now commercial, they deserve to have their donation apply.

It's pretty fucking sad that an avid MQ2 user with 200 or so posts will say such a thing, without bothering to think about the situation at hand. I'm sorry you feel that way. You're more than welcome to stop using all of my products.

Note that MQ2 is still and will be GPL. Plazmic created the original MQ and placed it under GPL, and there are still many portions of code in MQ2 that fall under his copyright from MQ. MQ2HUD was removed by mistake, there is nothing wrong with MQ2HUD and it is or will be in the next zip. I apologize for that. MQ2FPS is moved to VIP. MQ2 is moving to a new web site, but will still be released in ZIPs and under GPL. Do not confuse moving off of sourceforge with closing the source. This is absolutely an incorrect assumption (note: someone emailed Plazmic and indicated that we're moving off of sourceforge and closing the source. ... whatever dude. Anyway, we spoke to Plazmic about it on IRC yesterday).

Bombadil · Post by **Bombadil** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 2:51 pm

Hey guys. Its all cool. Like I said, I was just curious as to how the GPL worked having never had to deal with it on the Developer side of the house.

Amadeus · Post by **Amadeus** » Sun Jul 18, 2004 4:21 pm

I would also point out that I think some of you think that it takes like 5 minutes for a dev to code new features or fix MQ when it breaks due to a patch. Well, let me just tell you, I don't care HOW good you are...it takes time to just type the shit out, debug it, test it...and that's if no disassembly is involved.

I'll give you an example. Even working at lightning speed with 2 copies of IDA open and 2 copies of Windgb, Visual Studio, IRC and god knows what other tools, it still took about 3.5 hours just to redo the ALTABILITYMGR and ALTABILITY structs after the last patch. And, frankly, although I'm not the best coder in the world..I'm pretty damn good at the structs, so I don't know that it could be done that much faster unless you previously have created an application that pulls structs out of the disassembly automatically (which would have taken time to have coded in the first place).

Simply put, it probably takes a combination of around 5 to 10 man hours just to fix MQ after a big patch like we just had (combination of all devs = 5-10 hours). For new features, it's variable depending on the feature.

Now I have no interest in getting donations or making money ....this is my hobby and I get a great deal of enjoyment doing it. HOWEVER, You need to understand that 5-10 hours of professional expertise would cost you around $500 to $1000.

So always remember....every patch you're getting at least a few hundred dollars worth of programming expertise from all the various coders and contributers to the project. Lax is the leader and works harder than all of us (you better believe it) ...and, I'm telling you right now, if I didn't think he deserved monetary support for his work, I'd be the first in line to scream bloody murder.

You get what you pay for folks. MQ2 is a work of art compared to ANY other project of it's kind. I'm sure game programmers from around the world are studying it to create better security.

Groo Bait · Post by **Groo Bait** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 7:57 am

You're more than welcome to stop using all of my products.

Consider it done

You donate to MQ2, you already get VIP access

Liar

desnts · Post by **desnts** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 9:19 am

Liar

Groo is says it on the front page. contribute $10 then u get the vip. if u contributed that then pm a admin about the access if u didnt already get it. not hard

Drumstix42 · Post by **Drumstix42** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 5:24 pm

Well I don't think he deserves it anymore, lol.

Amadeus · Post by **Amadeus** » Mon Jul 19, 2004 10:41 pm

Groo... wtf are you talking about?

Donating HERE means vip to MQ2 stuff ...not lavishsoft stuff. Jesus man. Is there something here on MQ2's site that you are not getting that you think you should be?

Your logic would be like buying a ticket to one football game and expecting to get into all the other football games with it. Your donation here deals with MQ2 ..and MQ2 only. Wineq, etc.. have NOTHING to do with MQ2. ...NOTHING.

secrettoo · Post by **secrettoo** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 9:28 am

Groo, its people like you that will help annoy the programmers and leave this project in big trouble. Frankly, this community doesnt need whiners like you as its bad for morale and will make people think along the lines of 'why the hell should be bother maintaining it'. If you think that its a waste of time, good for you just get lost. If you dont, then be quiet.

I am sick and tired of reading whiners and complainers who expect everything given for nothing and were seemingly born with a silver spoon in their mouths. If you are like this is game, and I am sure you will be, I pity those who you are guilded with (if you are guilded) and talk to. If you are like this in real life, I would have told you to get stuffed long ago. I dislike with a passion people with your attitude because I dont think that anyone should be treated the way you are beginning to treat others. Have the respect for once and you may get a decent reply, otherwise expect to be treated the same way you treat others - like shit.

Yours and Up yours,
Secret2.

Meia · Post by **Meia** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 11:11 am

This thread makes me sick. If it wasnt for the continous efforts of all the developers on this project, many people would be in a world of hurt.

Speaking from the Bard community, many of us have recieved injuries from playing Everquest for 5 years doing a menial twist. If it wasn't for the ability to macro a song twist that should be in the EQ UI in the first place, I would not be able to play.

The work of everyone on this team is greatly appreciated by many, myself especially. A part of me wishes Lax would reverse eng MQ2 and sell it for $30 a year. It is the least they disearve and would resolve petty issues such as what is in this thread.

Fippy · Post by **Fippy** » Tue Jul 20, 2004 11:48 am

I would pay for a yearly subscription for sure. I did for Xylobot and for XUnleashed. If there wasnt so much tension on the boards id feel comfortable donating more to MQ2 then I have already. My fear at the moment is all the devs get pissed off and stop updating. If moving to a subscription model would ensure that doesnt happen I am all for it.

wassup · Post by **wassup** » Tue Aug 03, 2004 10:45 am

Groo,

If you donated, you get VIP access. If you donated and didn't get VIP, then you need to email Lax or a dev with the transaction number or whatever so it can be tracked and rectified.

Calling people a liar like that is uncalled for when it is fact.