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Lane · Post by **Lane** » Wed Jan 14, 2004 11:57 am

Smokin! You changed the chat channel.

/em feels special

This bot is the second one I have every used from the forums. I used a combine macro (well, like three but they were just mods) and this one. I had never wanted to bother with all the large bot macros cause I like to read and understand everything going on in them and just never had the time.

This one is nice and simple. It's easy enough to control my second char with tells from my main char. I my bot is actually functional and I dont have to reach other to the other puter now and press buttons. By this evening I should have my third char configed in the same channel and botting both at once with single commands.

Thanks some-eq-player.

-Lane

TI994a · Post by **TI994a** » Wed Jan 14, 2004 12:56 pm

I didn't say you were an asshole. I said that was a pretty fuckin lame thing to put in a macro designed for the Depot. What makes you an asshole is the way you kept on about it, and putting up a one-sided sarcastic poll. /shrug

You want a more accurate poll, then just change the choices to:

a) It's ok to put in broadcasts telling the server I'm using MQ in Depot code
b) It's not ok to put in broadcasts telling the server I'm using MQ in Depot code

All in all, while you think it's cute to put it in there, all you've done is introduce another piece of cluttered, unorganized code that must be edited in order to perform any real function.

- TI

some-eq-player · Post by **some-eq-player** » Wed Jan 14, 2004 12:59 pm

LOL the poll says it all ... 0 people have fallen for the shouting ... 3 hate me for doing the shouting ( but havnt fallen for it ) and 3 like it ... and one person gave me direct props =P .. so i say .. some of you are too worried lol =P (at the time i wrote this that is ) i cant wait to see if someone is dumb enough to copy paste and not read ( what are the chances right ? )

by the way ... the reason i made it a channel to begin with,
1) use in raids, multiple people can request
2) PL group of friends at a time =D
3) keep your tells free =D

reason to use tell
1) you NEED to have a channel open
thats about what i can think of lol.

but now that i start to think ... i think ill add something so that it will repeat what it hears in GUILD and TELL chat to the channel that way if your PLing an alt for instance, and the alt isnt in the guild the main is .. you wont miss a thing =P.. just a thought ill start it when i get time =P

replies:

woot im an asshole officialy according to most of you.. thanks a million!

i dont see TI994a anywhere there lol ...

and about the poll .. have you EVEN SEEN THE CODE ? if you havnt then just shut up. if you HAVE then your opinion on the poll will count for me. =)
(does the evil pinky thing and laughs again ) im having fun watching you guys all flamed up about this

battaile · Post by **battaile** » Wed Jan 14, 2004 2:07 pm

Guess it doesnt really matter, but wouldnt it be more clear to make those ini files be inc instead?

wilso132 · Post by **wilso132** » Wed Jan 14, 2004 5:17 pm

You can continue to argue with the rest of the MQ users about how right you are to put it in there, but my feelings are this:

This is a Depot, meaning we put things in here as shared, open code. This isn't a "learning" forum to teach people things, it's a place to put finished projects (or projects that just need very little debugging). Putting something in there that /shout's I'm a MQ user! (in what is supposed to be a trusted forum) is just uncalled for and unnecessary.

It is your code and you can do what you want with it, but don't feel the need to educate users or "make them customize it." I don't see how removing shouts you put in there are "customizing" a macro.

BrainDozer · Post by **BrainDozer** » Wed Jan 14, 2004 7:19 pm

The poll isn't nearly as complete as it could be.

In addition to TI’s selection, it might be far more valuable to include:

c) I think this poll is evidence of your adolescent trolling.
d) Thanks to your efforts here, I now realize that I don’t have to produce quality work to get noticed by my peers.
e) Impotent insolence pays in scorn and ridicule.

But that’s just my opinion. I could be--and probably am--wrong.

Elric · Post by **Elric** » Wed Jan 14, 2004 7:21 pm

Actually, I'm of the opinion of the masses.

That was uncalled for, for the finished products area.

I can understand it being in the Help part of it, but not here, or without an express note.

The last I'll say on it, and the only I'll say on it.

some-eq-player · Post by **some-eq-player** » Thu Jan 15, 2004 10:33 am

my goal has been fulfilled.

one idiot voted why was i shouting this

so possibly its another person that ruins MQ for us , REMOVED. (cheers)

then theres the NOT-so-smart-person but MUCH smarter then the first idiot who voted too hard to fix this. and im glad he couldnt, because if not smart enough to delete 2 "evil" lines (side by side) with comments sorrounding em, you shouldnt be using this. and he was smart not to.

as for the rest .. at the time of this reading, 7 seem to like it .. 7 definatly hate it .. and i can care less either way.

vaelin · Post by **vaelin** » Thu Jan 15, 2004 11:45 am

No matter how good you are, no matter how good your script might or might not be, there is a difference between helping and being a total jackass.

You're the kind of person who would advocate putting tacks on the ground, just to tell people that they should've been watching where they step.

I don't need a lesson in how to remove lines from code. You need a lesson in tact.

No matter how much you backstep now, I'll always consider your contributions as questionable or threatening at best, or most likely never look at them at all. I hope that was one of your precious "goals" too, because from the sounds of things, you certainly didn't win any medals with this bullshit.

Let the devs worry about teaching people lessons. But don't "contribute" and at the same time lay land mines. That's just fucked up.

El · Post by El » Thu Jan 15, 2004 11:59 am

Two comments:

1. If you run something without reading through it, then I question your sanity. It's a trust issue, and frankly, I don't know any of you. I read through every script until I understand it, BEFORE I run it.

2. The very first post after the macro contained explicit instructions on what to look for to remove the offending code. The code was commented, in plain english. There was no obfuscation of any kind. You didn't need to be a coder to understand any of it. If you were caught by this, then see comment #1. Shame on you.

Now, having said that, I think that anything that lowers my trust in you as a script developer is a bad thing. Lower it enough, and I don't care how useful a script is -- I won't run it. Putting that code in was childish.

I think you really need to think about why you posted code with those traps in there. At the very least, you wasted our time to find them and remove them. At the worst, you might have gotten someone banned. Doesn't seem like a neighborly thing to do.

MrSmallie · Post by **MrSmallie** » Thu Jan 15, 2004 3:08 pm

At the worst, you might have gotten someone banned.

Actually, at worse, he can bring yet more unwanted attention to MQ. If someone was dumb enough to use this without reading it, or just happened to miss something...

MrSmallie · Post by **MrSmallie** » Thu Jan 15, 2004 3:51 pm

First off, kudos for posting your macro. Secondly, the way you "safeguarded" you're macro from someone just copying/pasting, and trying to run it, showed a high level of immaturity.
Luckily, this an open forum. People can use your code if they want, or they ignore it. I use it. I don't really want to see players get banned for using it, which would bring more attention to MQ. So, I posted my edited version in a new thread. It still needs to be edited, but isn't as childish.

Bad Karma · Post by **Bad Karma** » Fri Jan 16, 2004 1:01 am

I'm supprised he didn't just put a line in there:
/petition Hey, ASSHOLE! I'm running MQ! Come ban me if you can, fucker!

Or, was he saving that for his next macro/release?

I still disagree with what he did....I don't care about the reason, any more than he cares about anyone else...

some-eq-player wrote:.. and i can care less either way.

Just sliding down the trust scale even lower....

some-eq-player · Post by **some-eq-player** » Fri Jan 16, 2004 1:37 am

nah petition would be taking it over board .. at least with a shout they can stop it if they were to test in an empty zone ... not like GM's read chat anyways ... there was a guy in POK on my server the other day shouting "DIE NIGGERS DIE" and SUXXORS ON MY NUTS!" and EQ SUXXORS!!" and all sorts of other horrible phrazzes .. he was there for 4 HOURS!! and out of curiosity i started a convo with him .. he was a MQ user and was chatting to me , was doing that to leave EQ with a big fat memorable note... after 4 hours .. he just campped .. noone did jack to him .. have i ever seen him again ? no .. did he quit or get banned ? no idea .. but i just made you read a pointless 5 minute long story =D

actualy the point is nothing would happen for shouting that unless other people in zone to petition. or a GM happens to be looking at him. IMO

cronic · Post by **cronic** » Fri Jan 16, 2004 2:37 am

Hmm. Instead of 'evil' lines you could have just made it work nicely out of the bag instead of being a douchebag about it. I suppose that's not very nice, considering you did actually post your work for the benefit of others, but I still think your idea was a silly thing to do.

cronic

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