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Post by ap50 » Thu Feb 20, 2003 2:37 pm

OldNecro wrote:basically, yeah that's exactly what happened. Plaz could at least give the people who donated what they paid for.
Lol, do you know how stupid that sounds?

Donate: To present as a gift to a fund or cause; contribute.

Purchase: To obtain in exchange for money or its equivalent; buy.

MacroQuest has been used FREELY by potentially THOUSANDS of people for a VERY long time.. People who contributed funds to Plazmic did so in thanks for the recognition for producing it, and providing us with the product we all like.. It's not a mandate for him to be tied to doing it ad-infinitum, just because we wanted him to.
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Be Reasonable

Post by Shocks » Thu Feb 20, 2003 2:47 pm

This is my first time posting. I would like to say thank you all for the program that I enjoy so very much. I use it to bot my two of my accounts.


I am a newb to macro quest. But I’m not a newb to common curtsy. I think that ppl don’t understand that no one here is owed anything. If you donated it’s just that a DONATION for what you have been using this whole time. Hells look at Microsoft that is way over priced, but every new version they charge you yet again. I don’t see any charges to dl this program or any charges to use it. I only see a section to donate. I would love to see another version of mq come out that supports click BUT I will not whin cry bitch ECT or even ask. I truly hope Plaz is not done with eq and MQ. If he is though I can’t say I blame him with the posts I have read lately.

I will be totally upset if I ever have to go back to playing 3 chars without the use of such a great program. It has helped me be more productive with the little time I have to play. In closing when has bitching EVER gotten anything other than a negative response.


Thanks,
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Post by OldNecro » Thu Feb 20, 2003 3:40 pm

When you make a "donation" to the red cross, what do you expect to happen to your money? (please don't bring up the 9-11 red cross bullshit, I mean to use them as an example of any charity, not them specifically.) anyway, you expect it to go to people who need it in times of chrisis. More basically put, you give someone some money, and you expect something to be done with it. You're not giving the red cross money becuase they are nice guys, you expect them to further the cause that you support.

What would happen if the red cross took a TON of donations from various people, then just closed their doors and pocketed the cash? That would be total bullshit, right? Absolutely it would. This is the exact same case, and people who donated have every right to be pissed that the cause they were trying to support just hung them out to dry.

No, he wasn't going to do it forever, but he never told us he was quitting, which would have weighed very heavily on the decision to make donations for probably EVERYONE. If he owed them nothing else, he at least owed them a farewell.
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Post by insanitywiz » Sat Feb 22, 2003 7:11 am

There is a difference in donating to a charity, and donating to someone personally. If you thought Plaz was a charity, then you thought wrong. He spent a hell of a lot of time on this, and he got very little in return. I'll say for sure that he didn't make any huge amounts of cash compared to the time he spent on it.

Hell *I* make more then that an hour, and I'm pretty sure Plaz makes more then me.

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Post by Malachi » Sat Feb 22, 2003 11:30 am

The red cross isn't a "charity" as most people see it. Annually, the director of the Red Cross takes home more than $1 million. Sure, that a tough job but...hmm. About 5 years ago one director quit after they posted their budget and it showed that they had been making $13 million a year as the directory of a "charity."

Billions of dollars went into 9-11 funds, lots of people donated $20. I am QUITE sure that they woudn't do that if they knew the director of this "Charity" was taking so much of their donations home....

Just a thought...

And, here's how donating to a developer works. You look at their software. You think "man, this guy/girl/hermaphrodite did a lot of work and I really get a lot of use out of their program. I think I'll toss them some money in appreciation." Now, here's how you BUY software (and don't argue about microsoft bullshit, we all know how stupid it is) you say "ooh, I want to use this software, but I can't because it's not free. Well, I decide that my opportunity cost of spending the money is less than or equal the gain I will receive by using the software, and so I will pay for it." Now that you have bought the software, (assuming the license agreement says so), you have the right to expect tech support, new version support, and those fun sorts of things.

NOWHERE in ANY thread did Plaz EVER say that he would code MQ until the day that Sony shut down EQ. He did promise a new version by the superbowl, but then ya can't look a gift horse in the mouth. If you donated to Plaz, then good for you. I'm sure your $5 bought him some good doritos and coke. It didn't make him rich, and I'm sure this project actually got in the way of whatever else he was doing or trying to do, like have a life.

If indeed he has gone, then the world of EQ has lost a talented member, but the world has probably gained one. If he's biding his time on the nerf or whatever, then good for him. Basically, I feel that if you can't put up, then shut up. This is a sourceforge site, which means users are encouraged to download and fiddle w/ the source. If you can't/don't want to/wouldn't know where to start, then shaddup.

Sure, it stinks. Maybe you donated after the dissapearance, and that sure stinks too. That's the tricky thing about a donation...it's an option. Even with /click functionality down, MQ is still worth a $20 donation any day of the week.

This guy sounds like the sort who goes to strip clubs but doesn't tuck dollar bills in their g-strings because he isn't gonna get laid and he can't understand paying for something that isn't catered to him. Hehe. Not so much trying to flame as trying to figure out exactly how you spoiled, sad little children got your heads so far into your hiney's that you think Plaz owes you something. I mean, look around. That's your colon buddy! Come out here and play with the rest of us, life's a lot more fun when you realize that no one owes you anything, *ever.*

~malachi

Oh, and as for cracking Xylo. It would take most of us less than half an hour to set that breakpoint. The trouble with you guys is that you don't understand hacker ethics. Information wants to be free, true, and it's great to know HOW to access something. That does NOT mean that we are born with some innate right these sorts of things, or that in our struggle to compile wealth and status that nothing else matters but ourselves. Ben only made a server check so that people wouldn't pirate his software en masse, he can't possibly be dumb enough to think that people could never crack it. The concept of cracking Xylo is a sad sad one indeed. You don't need two copies running at the same time to bot on two different computers...you just use the MCS on one to get commands from the other. You guys make me sad.
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Post by insanitywiz » Sat Feb 22, 2003 4:41 pm

Cracking Xylo hell, I already paid my 20, I just want it to be more functional. Heh

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Post by OldNecro » Sat Feb 22, 2003 7:02 pm

Insanitywiz: "I'll say for sure that he didn't make any huge amounts of cash compared to the time he spent on it."


ROFLMFAO! :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by OldNecro » Sat Feb 22, 2003 7:05 pm

Malachi: "The red cross isn't a "charity" as most people see it. Annually, the director of the Red Cross takes home more than $1 million. Sure, that a tough job but...hmm. About 5 years ago one director quit after they posted their budget and it showed that they had been making $13 million a year as the directory of a "charity." Billions of dollars went into 9-11 funds, lots of people donated $20. I am QUITE sure that they woudn't do that if they knew the director of this "Charity" was taking so much of their donations home.... "

OldNecro: "(please don't bring up the 9-11 red cross bullshit, I mean to use them as an example of any charity, not them specifically.) "

Read please. Fugging knew someone was gonna try that retort and that's why I shut it down before it could happen.
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/sigh

Post by Malachi » Sun Feb 23, 2003 1:33 am

/sigh

You make me tired. If you can't stand a retort to your argument, then don't make one.

Besides, the director of the red cross has been making millions for long before 9-11, I wasn't pointing out a scandal, merely that people probably WOULDN'T donate if they knew where their money was going. Look at any large-scale "charity", and it's much the same. There's a big difference between a non-profit (501c3) corporation and a charity, and the comparison you were trying to make applied to non-profit's, not charities.

Don't mix your metaphors if you don't know what you're talking about. More to the point, just to be a dick, they're similies anyway.

I find it interesting that you failed to comment on anything else I said, in debate/law terms....that means I WIN. hehe.

So, with that in mind, as I said before, put up or shut up. If you're such a 7eet h4X07 then fix MQ fo' yo' self. Heck, start Mq2.sf.net, and use plaz's source as your base code.

I've just noticed that everything you post is full of animosity towards a project to which you have contributed nothing except your slander and complaints. Learn the difference between a flame and a retort, and stay on the porch if you can run with the larger, more intelligent dogs who have something other to do than whine about their cheaters toy being broken.

As for you laughing about the comment about Plaz not making big bucks off this project....well, this one is just too obvious for me to waste keystrokes on.

Have a good morning everyone!
~malachi

p.s.-is anyone else really troubled by the recent surge of self-centrism that has become so flagrant by so many people? I mean.../sarsasm on, I hope that they breed soon and often!. /sarcasm off
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Post by Ariain » Sun Feb 23, 2003 1:34 am

He wasnt talking about just 9-11 though. He was talking about Red Cross in general.

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Post by CodeNewbie » Sun Feb 23, 2003 11:57 am

p.s.-sorry to flame about this, but is anyone else out there REALLY tired of spoiled white-person syndrome that seems to be affecting so much of America's middle class?
WTF Malachi? So you're saying that other ethnic backgrounds can't be spoiled?!? If I was white I would be HIGHLY offended by that remark..

Or maybe you were saying that other ethnic races can't be a spoiled at all! If I wasn't white I would be HIGHLY offended by that remark!! Come on everyone! Bring the races together in a beat down on Malachi day!

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Seriously, I couldn't resist.. Seems so many people are taking so many things out of context I just couldn't let that bandwagon pass me by ;) And for all of those people out there that just love to prove Darwin wrong, yes.. This was posted in jest.

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Hehehe

Post by Malachi » Sun Feb 23, 2003 12:19 pm

<<I edited that post for codenewbie, hehe.>>
Hehehee. Yay, someone has a pulse.

What I'm actually referring to here is this sorta recent, rampant self centrism that's running rampant in people everywhere I look these days. Hehe, I did make the comment to be inflammatory, lol, I'm not racist at all. I just mean that there are so many people who feel that they deserve something extra just for showing up, some sort of candy just for being who they are.

I'm gonna stop there and not give examples because it'll knock this thread WAAAY off topic, I just wanted to clear up that I wasn't intending to make a racially offensive statement. I work with kids who have nothing. NOTHING. These are kids who are happy to get anything, even if it's just some attention for half an hour and someone to pat their back and tell them they did a good job. So, when I look at someone who has a lot (not just posters here, people I know as well) who can't stop complaining about what they *don't* have or what their mommies and daddies *won't* give them, I want to punch them in the throat. I just wish that people could appreciate what they have, ya know.

With that said, I'll go take some darvocet or something.

Apologies for sounding offensive, lol, but at least you paid attention. Hopefully you noted the rest of the argument as well.

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Post by OldNecro » Sun Feb 23, 2003 5:47 pm

Malachi, the reason I don't reply to the rest of your posts is that I can't get past the first line without finding you directly contradicting a well-known fact, or stepping outside the bounds of a conversation which were set forth before the controversial statement was even made. Basically, I AM putting forth a lot of effort to learn the MQ code, and I will contribute to the community as much as a person can who has been using the software for 6 months or so possibly can.

*Every* post you make is a troll. Every single one. You immediately disagree with everything anyone (who isn't an admin) says, and back it up with utopian BS opinions that are completely irrelevant. I haven't seen you contribute a single thing but bitching and crying about every time someone opens their mouth in defense of the community versus plaz's hasty exodus.

People like you with the childlike "put up or shut up" attitude are the people who frustrate future devs (like myself) to the point of keeping everything they create to themselves. I have nothing to prove to you, and I will not "put up" for you just because you think you are going to punk me out with your whiney mouth. It's not going to happen.

However, since the decent people are many and people like you are few, I'm continuing to work on the project. We'll see who contributes to what after the patch tomorrow. Get a life and pick up a copy of .NET like the rest of us.

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Whew.

Post by Malachi » Sun Feb 23, 2003 6:09 pm

Whew, it's a good thing he set me straight.

hehe.

Yeah, and I never contribute anything either, that's a good point. People never IM me for macro or install debugging and I never post anything else either, you caught me.

All 185 posts have been trolls, lol.

Oh, wait...no, they were comments in threads started to open discussions about two sides of a viewpoint. It just stinks when someone else's viewpoint differs from your own, does it not?

Anyway, I'm glad to see that people are making an effort.

Huzzah,
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Post by Vendor001 » Mon Feb 24, 2003 6:29 pm

I could have sworn I did see a post where Malachi helped someone(lol...actually i recall some posts where he *gasp* shares a macro!)

...though....could you scale that damn sig pic down? don't you think 416x375 is rather excessive?